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Wednesday, June 10, 2009

The Three Fundamentals?

Following is a synopsis of one of the "three academic fundamentals" as documented on GWU's website

"Students are expected ... not only to write, but to publish. ...Students are required to publish, or make public, their writings. ... At first, this may consist of emails to associates, letters to the editor and posts on personal blogs. As students progress and mature in their content and writing skills, they seek out more formal venues for publication."

This begs the question: Have the GWU faculty "progress[ed] and mature[ed] in their content and writing skills" to the point where they can publish in a more formal venue?

I challenge the readers of this blog to show me even one example where a faculty member of GWU has ever published something in a third-party publication while at the school. (Groft's letters to the SUU student newspaper editor don't count!)

I'm going to go out a limb and say there haven't been any -- prove me wrong!


R.C. said...

A search of all peer-reviewed literature showed me that DeMille's "Thomas Jefferson Education" has been cited twice in academic work. Both citations were people's dissertations. One was in education the other was in geography education. Both dissertations were qualitative and they had really nothing to do with TJED. One was about motivation to homeschool, the other was something about spatial reasoning or something...

I found that quote interesting as well. Getting publications in academia is extremely important, if not essential. It depends on the university. There is a saying: "publish or perish".

I did do a search once - Shane Schulties and Brad Bolon have publications - but none of them have anything to do with statesmanship.

The Real George Wythe said...

Thanks RC - were Shulthies's or Bolon's papers published while they were at GW?

Since Shulthies and Bolon have accredited Ph.D.s in their respective fields, it's no surprise they've got publications available.

Okay everybody, any third-party publications coming out of George Wythe University?

R.C. said...

The critical question in this area has to do with their publications while they were at GWU. The question is: is their affiliation in the journal listed George Wythe University/College?

From what I can tell, a 2009 Bolon article in the Journal of Bone and Mineral Research has his affiliation at GemPath. Therefore, his research affiliation is not GWU, but his own company.

Another critical question is the relevance their research has to statesmanship or the liberal arts. Bolon is clearly a great scientist with many publications. I think that it is good for GWU to have him on their staff. Schulthies has some publications too.

The Real George Wythe said...

I understand Bolon lives in the Denver area.

R.C. said...

One of the publications says his company is in Longmont, but more recent pubs say that he is in Cedar City.

The Real George Wythe said...

That's right, he is in Cedar.

Interesting that his CV doesn't mention GWU.


R.C. said...

None of the financial stuff shows that he is paid by them, right?

He must just be there to help them get accreditation. That is my conclusion. Given that his wife is heavily involved in the school.

Anyway, yes, it is very weird that he doesn't list that on his CV... but would you?

J.L.L said...

"publish" and "make public" are very different things. Actually, it's quote hard to publish as an undergrad, but hey, that's their own requirement and they should stick to it. The faculty should also. Publish or perish, right?

As I have watched George Wythe College change over time, I have noticed how the requirements have really become more difficult (same for TJEd in way). Each year it seems like they add more and more to the currciculum. So now students are thinking, "wow, my instructor must be really smart if he had to go through all this." When people I know were "attending" GWC a few years ago, there really wasn't that much to it. And definitely when it first started, the requirements were nothing like they are now.

I think this is to give an illusion that there is something to the school. But I think it's actually hypocritical. Somehow the faculty is part of "greatness" yet they didn't have to do even what the new students have to do. TJEd follows a similar pattern where it keeps getting harder, and more complicated each year so that no one can actually be doing it right. So when people have troubles with it, it's because they really haven't done everything they are supposed to do, and the problem is with the parent (or student), not the "process" or school as the case may be. The keep moving the goalpost.

J.L.L said...

One thought about something else:

I was at the Utah State Republican Convention yesterday and GWU had a booth. I went by just to see what they had. There were a few people there but not many. They had the phrase "Building Statesmen" on the banner. I thought that was quite interesting. Here we had actual statesmen and none of them were interested, and only a few others were curious.

Now I know that Hatch and Bennett are probable not "statesmen" to most people in terms of their ability to lead with principles etc. Some would just refer to them as "elected officials" not statesmens which I would probably agree. However, this year (unlike last year and previous) there were some good people and good adresses given that I think count as being in the "statesmen" category.

Ken Blackwell gave perhaps one of the best political speeches I have heard in person. I thought, "now this is a great speaker." If TJEd and GWU want to have "Face to Face with Greatness" seminars, then here's your man! Chaffetz impresses me also, although he's young, but I like his record and the fact that he actually got elected.

Having correct principles is one thing. Convincing your fellow citizens or delegates to agree and take a particular course of action is another. It's hard. You usually have to start at the bottom. You can't declare yourself a "leader" ro "statesman."

"Simluations" don't cut it. In order to actually get elected or be a leader you have to go out to your constituents. You have to put your neck out. You have to enter the race, take the beatings, be in the public eye, and put rubber to the road.

So when I saw GWU's banner of "Building Statesmen" I laughed. It's so naive. I've said before that I agree with much of their politics. But I disagree totally on how you become a "statesman" and I disagree totally with playing the equivalent of little girls' dress up tea parties where we pretend to be great statesmen and have black tie dinners and simulations.

GWU students or anyone else for that matter that wants to become a statesmen has got to enter the arena. Run for office. When you lose because you didn't know what you were doing, then scale it back and volunteer. Then be a delegate, or chair some committee. Propose some resolutions. Get in front of people. It's not as easy as it may seem. Pretending and playing dress up with your friends is nice and safe, but isn't going to cut it. Get out there and defend your ideas.

R.C. said...

J.L.L. - that is interesting that they had a booth there - did any other colleges or universities have booths? I wonder if they also had a booth at a democrat convention. It should be apparent that they are not interested in ideological diversity as they claim, otherwise they wouldn't be recruiting at a republican convention.

Yes, that is an interesting contrast - real elected statesmen and women up against unproven politics. In fact, I would change my mind about many things in regards to GWU if one of their faculty acutally held a state or federal office or had a big appointment somewhere where they could be "real" statesmen.