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Wednesday, September 23, 2009

Crunchy Con: Wrong about "5,000 Year Leap"

Rod Dreher, author of Crunchy Con over at Beliefnet, wrote an article last week blasting both Glenn Beck (everyone's getting on the bandwagon) and Skousen's 5,000 Year Leap.

That night he actually read the book, and changed his tune.

He still believes the book is weak in the history and argument departments, but he no longer believes it to be "dangerous." More like "hokey."

Full disclosure: I haven't read the book.


James F. said...

Kudos to the author for actually admitting he had a change of heart (a slight one at least) concerning The 5,000 Year Leap. It really isn't a fantastic, game changing book. As I described it in an earlier comment, it's a good evaluation and commentary on the founding.

And again, it must be emphasized that The 5,000 Year Leap is just one of many many books a student at GWU will read. It isn't their "core" curriculum any more than the rest of the books they read.

I'm still curious--as with the Salon article, the author mentions how the Mormon church publicly distanced itself from Skousen. Any source on that? I mean they are really trying to portray Skousen as so crazy that conservatives don't like him and his own wacky fellow Mormons think he is a nut.

From what I've read on Skousen, it does seem that he was a little over the top with all the anti-communism. Though it does seem that he was using the term "Communist" to describe the whole movement of the powerful elite working to change the country into more of a socialist aristocracy. But does anyone here really doubt that that is exactly what has and is happening?

Same with all this "New World Order" stuff. Yeah, it sounds conspiratorial, and a lot of it is. But does anyone really doubt that there is an organized movement of global elite pushing their agenda? Maybe you agree with it, maybe you don't, but it is hard to deny that its there. Skousen obviously vehemently opposed socialism, big government, and global government. Beck's opposition is pushing this notion that Skousen was some sort of uneducated, lying, conspiracy theorist. But I still don't see where his ideas were any different than that of true conservatives or libertarian leaning people today.

The Real George Wythe said...


I think people are referring to a 1979 letter from the church's First Presidency. A 2007 National Review article on Mitt Romney cited it:

"This was quite a reversal. In 1960, Mormon prophet David O. McKay had encouraged the entire church body to read The Naked Communist, during one of the church’s General Conferences. In 1979, the church issued a statement disallowing promotion of the Freemen Institute in LDS churches. According to the letter, “This instruction is not intended to express any disapproval of the right of the Freemen Institute and its lecturers to conduct such meetings or of the contents of the lectures. The only purpose is to make certain that neither Church facilities nor Church meetings are used to advertise such events and to avoid any implication that the Church endorses what is said during such lectures.” The letter was signed by the Church’s Office of the First Presidency, which included then-President and Prophet Spencer W. Kimball and then-Second Counselor to the president Marion G. Romney, Mitt’s second cousin."

See http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDRhZWFkNWE2OTQ0MGIwYzZmMWQ3MjA5OWIxYzQ0YTU=

R.C. said...

I have 3 quick question for any Cleon Skousen fans:

1)Did the 5,000 year leap title have anything to do with his book the 'first 2,000 years'

2) Did Skousen believe in a 6,000 year old earth?

3) How literal did Skousen read the Bible? 6 day creation????