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Saturday, September 18, 2010

Skousen Redux

Cleon Skousen is in the news again.

There is a debate of his The 5,000 Year Leap and its influence on the Tea Party movement in The Arizona Republic:

The "against" article: Distorted book is bad history, poses its own tyranny

The "for" article: Visionary helped people see truth of nation's origins

(Incidentally, have you ever noticed that everyone seems to know a Skousen? At least in the Intermountain West. Lots of male progeny I suppose...)


Anonymous said...

I’m sorry TRGW, I must have missed your point.

Are you saying that you believe the principles taught in the 5000 Year Leap are Visionary or Distorted? Or do you simply lack an opinion on the subject?

Anonymous said...

A while ago I had a Sister in the Church come up to me and say that the church has officially asked us to no longer study the writings of Cleon Skousen. I asked her to find out where and when they officially made that request and she hasn’t gotten back to me. Does any one know what this good Sister was referring to? Or maybe it is just one of those "mormon legends" that no one actually said, but somehow it's been passed around in the church as "official." I'm pretty sure that same good Sister would put her hand on the bible and swear that Jesus once said, "I never said it would be easy..."

Anonymous said...

...but you can probably read all about that on TRGW's other blog titled,

Jesus: The Unaccredited Rabbi

Over there he is known as JTUR, but no one knows his "Real" identity. On both blogs he likes to maintain a certain level of implicit neutrality.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, are you comparing Oliver DeMille to Jesus now?

The Real George Wythe said...

Anonymous, I've never read the book.

Anonymous said...

No more Andrew Groft nor Oliver DeMille at George Wythe University?

Felidae said...

Hmmm.... apparently they are no longer on the board. Also, no more 5000 Year Leap in the undergrad curriculum either. After checking the website, it looks like it was replaced by better original sources.

Anonymous said...

If that's the case, then I fail to see the relevance of this post on this blog. On that note, I fail to see the relevance of this blog anymore at all.

What do you say TRGW? If you want to keep attacking DeMille or Brooks or TJED, you should set up separate blogs specifically about them, but how about we quit bashing the school. They seem to be trying to get their house in order.

Why don't you dedicate your time to attacking educational systems that are truly doing a bad job like the DC public school system. No one that ever got a degree from GWU was sorry that they did. If that were the case I'm sure they would have posted their dissatisfaction all over this blog. Instead, the majority of the negative contributors of this blog are all non alumni (and a very confused Felidae). Doesn't that tell you something?

That tells me everything I need to know about the school.

The Real George Wythe said...

Anon on 9/28,

I too am pleased by the changes being made by GWU. As I mentioned
here, once I see an honest history of the school posted on its website, I will be very tempted to delete this blog.

As far as why I write about GWC/U, my profile description covers it pretty well: it's because one of my family members got sucked in (and now sorely regrets it). But maybe this movie quote will help you understand:

"There's two kind of dumb--the guy that gets naked and runs out in the snow and barks at the moon and the guy who does the same thing in my living room. First one don't matter. The second one you're kind of forced to deal with." (From Hoosiers)

Incidentally, I'm curious how you can support your statement that "[n]o one that ever got a degree from GWU was sorry that they did."

R.C. said...

Shanon Brooks on tour:


Anonymous said...

I am so confused TRGW. I just looked on the GWU website, and I couldn't even see a history of the school. So you said, "...once I see an honest history of the school posted on its website, I will be very tempted to delete this blog." It looks like they have removed the history entirely. Does that mean that you will stay true to your word, and might remove your blog as well, or change it to a blog that just bashes TJed? GWU does not use the TJed method, so that would be sound.

The Real George Wythe said...

10/8 Anon:

You appear to be correct, the link to "The First Fifteen Years" is now dead. That is a good first step.

Once I see an honest history of the school posted on its website (and by posted, I mean FEATURED and EASILY ACCESSIBLE), I will be very tempted to delete this blog.

Best Regards,


Anonymous said...

I think we all agree that statistically people who dislike something are far more likely to take the time to comment on it than those who liked it. Now contrast that with the comments online for the 5000 Year Leap. Less than 5% of the total comments are negative or critical. The majority of the dissenters, including the “against” article referenced by TRGW, seem to be mostly focused on the fact that Dr. Skousen keeps pushing the American Founding as something sanctioned by God. Something they are adamantly opposed to believing.

TRGW, by your own admission, you haven’t read any of the books or authors you so openly criticize on this blog. I’m beginning to think the only thing you have read is the published 15 year history of the school written by those who lived it, and yet you, with your “superior” arms length perspective, continue to demand that a more accurate history is somehow required for the prosperity of the school and more important YOUR APPROVAL. Talk about ego. Just curious, but if an updated history is released and it doesn’t meet your approval, what then? Maybe you should just write the thing so we all can know exactly what it is you want.

The Real George Wythe said...

10/22 Anon -

Is truth determined by popular opinion?

I've read other Skousen writings, but never 5,000 Year Leap. I never claimed to. You'll notice that I haven't criticized it anywhere on this blog. In fact, I linked to Crunchy Con's change of heart on the subject.

Anonymous said...

So what is the relevance of this post then? I mean shouldn't we be talking about Skousen's newest book or something? It's not every day a guy that has been dead for a while publishes a new book.

Anonymous said...

Oh, silly me. You probably haven't read it.

The Real George Wythe said...

Anon, try clicking on the link.